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October is just around the corner! Check out a preview of the fictional and real-life nightmares we will be discussing – some that might, shockingly, inspire you.

In this episode, Jayson, Dani and Colton discuss what it’s like to break into the music industry while remaining authentic, sending a message of love from music while nurturing their own love and managing racism as an interracial couple in the public eye. We also get to listen to their powerful music.

In today’s episode, we continue our conversation with Gloria Bobertz about the uncaught Lewis-Clark Valley Serial Killer who is believed to have killed her 21-year-old cousin, the 1982 Lewiston Civic Theatre murders in Lewiston, ID, the 1979 murder of 12-year-old Christina Lee White in Asotin, WA and the 1981 and the links between them.

In a conversation that is in turns saddening, maddening and inspiring, Jayson and Gloria discuss how the suspect, who lives in North Carolina, has evaded arrest, the toll on the mental health of victims’ families and how good can come from turning your sadness and anger into something that helps others.

Part 1 can be found below.

This week, in Part 1, we speak to Gloria Crow-Bobertz, whose cousin, 21-year-old Kristina Nelson, was believed to have been killed by the Lewis-Clark Valley Serial killer.We also we discuss loss, Gloria’s early reactions to Kristina’s disappearance and murder, how Gloria tried to turn her anger into something good and the early timeline of the suspect’s life and first suspected crimes. Next week, in Part 2, we discuss the three murders at the Lewiston Civic Theatre in Idaho and the murders of 22-year-old University of Idaho student, Kristin Noel David, 12-year-old Christina White, the impact on the families and how Gloria is trying to turn her experience into something good for other families.

Forensic psychologists are known for their high-profile testimony in controversial cases like those of Steven Avery, Lori Vallow Daybell, Jeffrey Dahmer and Andrea Yates. But forensic psychologists play a much broader role in society – from evaluating competency and insanity to supporting law enforcement and even contributing to eliminating systematic as they did in the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education case that ended legal segregation in American schools. In this episode, Jayson is joined by Shiloh, a forensic and law enforcement psychologist of the L.A. Not So Confidential podcast, to discuss these issues and more.

In today’s episode, we talk to Robert Parmer of The Broken System Podcast. Robert is not a journalist, a law enforcement officer or an investigator. He is just a regular guy from Marietta, Georgia who, along with Amanda Fickey, told the story of her brother, DJ, who prosecutors said committed suicide. Their work led police and prosecutors in a Northwest Georgia county to finally reinvestigate his death and charge a man with murder in July of 2023. We talk to Robert about the case and about what in his life led him to want to help fix the broken criminal justice system that leaves so many lost and forgotten.

In today’s episode, Jayson is joined by the Rev. John Cleghorn, of Caldwell Presbyterian Church in Charlotte, North Carolina. At a time when religious participation in America is on a steep decline, Jayson and John discuss how and whether the church is worth saving, how to heal the schisms between the church and so many Americans and how Caldwell, a church on the verge of decline, has found rapid growth.

Here’s a new trailer to let all you new listeners know what we are about. As a mental health coach and former New York Times reporter, Jayson brings his deep curiosity and strong belief in the value of human life to each episode. The goal is to make you feel like you’re sitting in the same room, having a chat with some of the most fascinating individuals.

In this episode, former Savannah, Georgia detective Kevin Grogan talks about the trauma that knocked him off track and how writing became a part of his therapy. Kevin also talks about how most use-of-force incidents go wrong

In this episode, Jayson talks with Kevin Joseph Grogan, a former Savannah, Georgia, police officer and homicide detective. In the first of two episodes, Jayson and Kevin, who is also an Iraq War veteran, discuss the real life of being a homicide detective and bridging the gap between police and their communities.

In this episode with Alice LaCour and Brett Talley of The Prosecutors Podcast, we discuss the life experiences with being on the outside that helped shape them and their approach to life, including putting the greatest weight on the community that has formed around their podcast.

Jayson is joined by attorneys Brett Talley and Alice LaCour, hosts of the true-crime Prosecutors podcast. Today we’re going to talk about the real life of being a prosecutor and attorney, the role they play in the legal system and the role the rule of law plays in upholding uploading. We also discuss Brett and Alice’s process of creating their episodes, which is a lot like their approach to pursuing cases.

In this collaboration with Blake Loeep and Ryne Sherman of The Science of Personality podcast, we discuss “Coaching the Whole Person” — an approach to coaching and leadership that considers everything that makes up employees and not just what they do on the job.

In this episode, Jayson and the hosts of The Science of Personality podcast, Hogan Assessments Chief Science Officer Ryne Sherman and his colleague, Blake Loepp, explore the importance of teamwork to human survival and success, and use the example of Michael Jordan and the 1990s Chicago Bulls to explore how what makes teams effective is not always what we think it is.

In this episode, we’re going to continue our conversation with Jason Usry, the creator, producer, writer and head elf of the true crime satire podcast Santa Maybe, a Criminal. We talk today about writing fiction, inspirations for some of his characters, what working in podcasting and Hollywood are like and how to build more joyful lives for those around us. Plus, we really find out how to get onto the nice list!

Today, we hear from screenwriter, podcast host and audio producer Jason Ursy on how he used writing and his podcast, Santa Maybe, a Criminal, to bring joy and laughter to the world of true crime.

Today, we hear from up-and-coming thought leader, Kaitlynn King, on leveraging the confluence of four generations working together to make a better world.

In this episode, with talk with FBI Profiler Julia Cowley in the second part of two episodes about the life of criminal profilers. In this episode, we discuss Julia’s work on high-profile and little-known cases, including how a profile helped a Oklahoma investigator solve the murders of 11-year-old Skyla Whitaker and 13-year-old Taylor Placker by a stranger, Kevin Sweat, on a rural dirt road. We also discuss serial killer and terrorism cases, understanding the minds of those who haunt so many of us and specific cases in the news like the 1996 death of JonBenét Ramsey, the murders of Abigail Williams and Libby German in Delphi Indiana and the 2022 University of Idaho Murders.

In today’s episode, the first in a two-part series, we are joined by former FBI Profiler Julia Cowley and we’re going to discuss what profiling is and isn’t and the true lives and work of FBI Criminal Profilers . We are and we’re going to try and separate the fact from fiction and explore the lives of the real humans who take on the daunting task of living their lives thinking about and helping solve violent crimes.

We honor those who serve our Armed Forces. But we often do not think as much about their families. Today, we are joined by Besa Pinchotti, the executive director of the National Military Family Association and a former journalist who covered the military, to discuss the tough job of being a military family member and how the military has had to both adapt to our times and where it still struggles to support those who serve along with their loved ones.

Executive Coach Lisa Krull joins us to talk about how the key to getting along and getting ahead is your reputation. Lisa discusses how to develop self-awareness about the way that other people see you and the importance of building your personal to accomplishing your goals in a world where our identify is important but where we have to work with others.

The 2020 killing of George Floyd was a huge step, a reckoning over the relationship between Black Americans and law enforcement that set off debates about police reform. Much less attention is paid to the perverse incentives that have put the police and the people they police in a death spiral. Journalists Daryl Khan and Clarissa Sosin, of Verite News, spent four years investigating police corruption in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, join us to discuss the culture within police departments that shape many of today’s challenges.

In last week’s episode with Bob Motta of the Defense Diaries podcast, we left off with the media coverage of the trial of alleged serial killer Anthony Garcia. Today, we are going to dive deeper and take a look at the Alex Murdaugh case, the Delphi murders, exonerations and the burden defense attorneys carry.

In this last of our three episodes on Coaching the Bright Side of Personality, the Dark Side of Personality and the Inside, Jayson, Kristina and Brittney focus on motivators, drivers and values, and bringing it all together.

In this episode, we discuss the latest in true crime, including the killings at the University of Idaho, the Delphi Murders, the Murdaugh trial and the trial of Anthony Garcia with our friend and defense attorney, Bob Motta, the host of the Defense Diaries podcast. We also discuss the reality of the “soul crushing” profession of being a criminal defense attorney and Bob’s unique approach to telling stories and approaching cases in true crime podcasting.

In this second of a three-part series of bonus episodes, Kristina Ralph and Brittney Lawhorn , certified assessment feedback providers from Goose Creek Consulting, discussing Coaching the Dark Side of Personality and coaching tips to build up self-awareness and coaching tips to internalize changes.

Edith Coron, an expert in leadership development and culture, discusses bridging intercultural divides, AI and other the risks to the coaching profession, remote work and how cultural misconceptions lead to consequential blind spots.

In this three-part series of bonus episodes, Kristina Ralph, Brittney Lawhorn and Matt Florence, certified assessment feedback providers from Goose Creek Consulting, discussing Coaching the Bright Side of Personality.

Roxanne Laczo, an expert in leadership development and people analytics, talk about putting the people in people analytics. They also jump into the problems of workplace psychology, the validity of workplace assessments and the wide variety of human factors in the modern workplace.

In this episode, Victoria Grady, an associate professor of organizational behavior at George Mason University, joins Jayson to discuss what attachment theory and clinical psychology can teach us about the ways we work, we live and we lead.

Former NFL and NCAA College Football defensive lineman Jihad Abdur-Rahman and Hogan Assessments Chief Science Officer Ryne Sherman join Jayson to discuss what employees and leaders can learn from athletes.

In this bonus, Jayson and Jillian discuss the joys of coming out and some of the humorous misconceptions people have when you do.

Jillian Orr came out as LGBTQ+ on the stage at her graduation at the Mormon Church’s Brigham Young University by opening her graduation gown to display a rainbow flag. Jillian discusses with Jayson how people have a deep desire to be loved for themselves, but fear they won’t be and encourages people to have the courage to love themselves regardless of when or how they come out. Jillian also discusses reconciling her spirituality with her sexuality and finally feeling free.

In this bonus episode, Kent and Jayson discuss the art of decepting deception and a better way of hiring for the CIA

Kent Clizbe, a decorated retired Central Intelligence Agency officer, talk about the life of being an intelligence officer, the mental and emotional cost of being in forever wars and having to lie for a living. Kent talks to Jayson about the toll of the job on those who serve and their families and why the CIA and other intelligence agencies should consider a new approach to hiring and to the development of the people who work at the agency.

A young Black man from the West Side of Chicago puts himself through college and reaches the pinnacle of his profession in journalism only to leave the mainstream media so he can write the stories of the uncovered and be free. John W. Fountain, a former correspondent for The New York Times, The Washington Post, the Chicago Sun-Times and The Chicago Tribune, talks to Jayson about life as an African-American in a mainstream newsroom and his work now of telling the stories of the forgotten, marginalized and the invisible in Chicago and beyond.

A survivor of the Washington Navy Yard shootings in September 2013, a lawnmower backfiring more than six years later at the beginning of the COVID-19, led to a mental health breakdown, recovery and a powerful story for Macey Cox. Macey, a learning and development specialist at the National Science Foundation, speaks to Jayson about her advocacy work and the importance of speaking openly about mental health in the workplace.

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